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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 29, 2018 22:10:39 GMT
Штат Македония. The state of Macedonia. A documentary about Macedonia I think many users here will be interesting this thread..
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Post by khaos on May 1, 2018 8:34:10 GMT
Dude, I am not religious, I don't even care about that. But what about those people who believe that Russians and Serbs are their "orthodox brothers"? Because of Serbia our church is not recognized by anyone, meanwhile Croatia as a Catholic country let two Macedonian orthodox churches to be built there, and the religious patriots here like Serbia and Russia more than Croatia, why is that? Sometimes they even side up with Serbs insulting Croats calling them "ustase" in order to offend them, what a bunch of morons. Well, that's the thing. There's a reason why people in Serbia are russophillic, why are people in Macedonia russophillic? The answer is - Serbian influence. Yugoslavia was cancer for Macedonia, since most of our intelligentsia was murdered/imprisoned during Tito's reign. But hey, no one cares about that, as long as you lived by the motto "Brotherhood and Unity", yeah we saw how that turned out after Tito's death. After the collapse of Yugoslavia, you have become worse situation! War of 2001 for example .. You have 2 ways out of the situation - either back to new -Yugoslavia or to brothers from Bulgaria! We became worse because we were under Yugoslavia in the first place. The war of 2001 happened because Albanians wanted a second Kosovo situation here, not because we collapsed from Yugoslavia. >new Yugoslavia hahahahahaha >brothers from Bulgaria gladly
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 8:48:30 GMT
@the Big Bad Wolf I am surprised you didn't call me a nazi, well well well... Hm, is there a reason to? Nobody denies Aleksandar Karadjordjevic wasn't a physchopath. A man that proclaims his brother mad to take the throne must've been. People in Macedonia mostly are. You wont archieve nothing by siding with Croatia too. Both countries are broken (in economic sense). They own Macedonian passports and declare themselves as Macedonian during Serbian population census. They experienced that first hand. So that explains why they were angrily killing innocent ...
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 8:52:41 GMT
Anyway you don't see Sicily secedes from Italy because Italian government arrests mafia, but in southeast Europe every irrelevant piece of land claims its own different origin, which is why people around here will always be someones slaves.
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Post by khaos on May 1, 2018 11:19:06 GMT
No So he deserved to die, thanks for clearing that up. Yes they are, and that's why we are so much behind. At least Croatia supports us. Of course they do, muhh minority rights.111!1111!!!!!11!11"They experienced that first hand." Who was killing innocents? The only people that were killed by the Bulgarian army were the commies, who worked against our interest.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 12:50:06 GMT
So he deserved to die, thanks for clearing that up. Yes You're behind because in 90's and early 2000's you destroyed that little of industry you had. You're claiming they're Serbs, so what would they get with minority rights? Ignorance is bliss
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 13:00:17 GMT
I belive your problem (as in personal problem) is you allow nationality and your inner, primordial feeling to cloud your judgement and derive reasonable conslusions.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 13:51:04 GMT
Well, tell that to those those morons who are protesting. Russia never helped Macedonia. Not even in the past, not even now. Russia never stood behind Macedonia. They support Serbia over our church dispute. They support Greece over our name dispute, even doe they recognized us. And now, when we finally decided to join NATO (you know, all those negotiations) they are interfering. Where was Russia in the war of 2001? Only Ukraine helped us. During Ottoman times, Russia helped Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia, but left Macedonia to the Ottomans. Most of these people who are protesting are Yugonostalgic commies, so it's not surprising, they are braindead. Also, one of their recent interferings.... Church issue is for retarded people, to divert their attention from everyday misery. It is Russophiles in Serbia who think Russia helped Serbia the most during Ottoman times (I am not saying it didn't). The fact is Austro-Hungary helped the most. It even allowed regiments of their own cavalry to join Serbian forces. Current government in Serbia is made out of very incapable people so screeching and unrational thinking is indeed their thing. Yugoslavia was not bad for Macedonia. Not exactly. If you'd see all these propaganda in churches about the politics view, you wouldn't think so. The greatest propaganda is in the church, I can bet about it, because I know the church from the inside.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:02:22 GMT
unknown Yes, I know. That's why I said what I said. They feed people with nationalism to erase the fact from their head that they work for 200 euro net on monthly basis. This is virtually why churches in Serbia are empty buildings.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:05:36 GMT
unknown Yes, I know. That's why I said what I said. They feed people with nationalism to erase the fact from their head that they work for 200 euro net on monthly basis. This is virtually why churches in Serbia are empty buildings. I added you 777th like Congratulations!.. Oh, no, I've mistaken, I'm sorry... or, wait... Well, I'm confused now. P.S. It is bad that propaganda spreading by religion. It wasn't like that before. A. Nevzorov, a man which I've written as my hero, always insists on it - that churches are the only tool for spreading propaganda. Well, I would name such tactics - a lousy one. Do they really think all the people are so stupid? Or their methods were getting ridiculously old?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:19:38 GMT
unknown Yes, I know. That's why I said what I said. They feed people with nationalism to erase the fact from their head that they work for 200 euro net on monthly basis. This is virtually why churches in Serbia are empty buildings. I added you 777th like Congratulations!.. Oh, no, I've mistaken, I'm sorry... or, wait... Well, I'm confused now. P.S. It is bad that propaganda spreading by religion. It wasn't like that before. A. Nevzorov, a man which I've written as my hero, always insists on it - that churches are the only tool for spreading propaganda. Well, I would name such tactics - a lousy one. Do they really think all the people are so stupid? Or their methods were getting ridiculously old? You think like that because you are smart. Many don't understand. I am just happy Serbian country doesn't realize church brainwashing is broken since early 2000's, but at what cost? We had to go through all the stupid and unnecessary wars. Anyway this neglectance lets the hope for better life to breathe.
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Post by Διαμονδ on May 1, 2018 14:21:03 GMT
In the Church there is propaganda of Christ and the Gospel! Nothing more!
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Post by khaos on May 1, 2018 14:27:40 GMT
So he deserved to die, thanks for clearing that up. Yes You're behind because in 90's and early 2000's you destroyed that little of industry you had. You're claiming they're Serbs, so what would they get with minority rights? Ignorance is blissIndustry in Macedonia Yeah, keep facepalming as much as you want, that's the truth. Serbs, Serbomans, whatever, they ain't Macedonians that's for sure, no matter what they say. Ignorance? Well prove me wrong, oh wait you can't... >I belive your problem (as in personal problem) is you allow nationality and your inner, primordial feeling to cloud your judgement and derive reasonable conslusions. Guess I am "blind" then, for not seeing the "truth", everything is foggy around me...
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:34:19 GMT
Ignorance? Well prove me wrong, oh wait you can't... In fact I did it a couple of time here, but perhaps you failed to see. Was just stating the obvious. Plus I can't see how is that my problem Shrug
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:38:47 GMT
I added you 777th like Congratulations!.. Oh, no, I've mistaken, I'm sorry... or, wait... Well, I'm confused now. P.S. It is bad that propaganda spreading by religion. It wasn't like that before. A. Nevzorov, a man which I've written as my hero, always insists on it - that churches are the only tool for spreading propaganda. Well, I would name such tactics - a lousy one. Do they really think all the people are so stupid? Or their methods were getting ridiculously old? You think like that because you are smart. Many don't understand. I am just happy Serbian country doesn't realize church brainwashing is broken since early 2000's, but at what cost? We had to go through all the stupid and unnecessary wars. Anyway this neglectance lets the hope for better life to breathe. Thanks I would want to be smart, but I felt like many people using me sometimes, because of my feelings. Their propaganda usually bases on it - emotions, feelings, etc. It's getting me more sad, just of so awful exploitation of our history and culture. Remember, you said that you know your family tree? So, I think it is the best way to get the info relying on the ones who you can trust - on relatives, or the closest friends. And also, remember you wrote about 'pro-u-craneianis' and 'pro-russians' in U-crane? I wanted to answer you, instead of 'there are pro-$$$', that: there can't be any pro-russians, just because many people are either from Russia, or have relatives, or at least there are so many Russian speakers. So, I think the same in other Slavs countries like yours. I mean, we have our relatives or friends who knows the situation better that it represents us by movies, tv-shows, or crazy things like that. This my position to task of keeping and studying our own history and culture is so strong, because almost every modern propaganda concentrates to destroy it. It isn't a new tactics, even in Bhagavad Gita, the origins of 3000 years or more, tell about such tactics. To erase history, culture and finally people's memory is the best way to turn them into slaves. If I, for example, want to speak about the history of Serbia, I need at least to get acquainted with its history, culture, the language, etc, to be more polite and more accurate in the questions. That's why I can't talk about the situation in Macedonia or Serbia good, because I don't know it well to be able to judge it or making some conclusions. I think so because I can by my own not accuracy, or by my language to say just propaganda, not a real something. The same is about info from the media - I never trust it. In U-crane, for example, almost every channel is occupied by oligarch, and it is very funny to see how one oligarch interest is becoming versus the other one's. And common citizens are just pawns in their game.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:55:43 GMT
You think like that because you are smart. Many don't understand. I am just happy Serbian country doesn't realize church brainwashing is broken since early 2000's, but at what cost? We had to go through all the stupid and unnecessary wars. Anyway this neglectance lets the hope for better life to breathe. Thanks I would want to be smart, but I felt like many people using me sometimes, because of my feelings. Their propaganda usually bases on it - emotions, feelings, etc. It's getting me more , just of so awful exploitation of our history and culture. Emotional vampires. They are bad. Yes, I have relatives both in and outside Serbia. The key is in acceptance what you are and not allowing negative emotions to show your weakness. Divide and conquer. This tactic was so useful scientist even made computer programming algorithms based on the idea.
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