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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 24, 2018 0:16:23 GMT
www.gotquestions.org/apostolic-succession.htmlThe doctrine of apostolic succession is the belief that the 12 apostles passed on their authority to successors, who then passed the apostolic authority on to their successors, continuing throughout the centuries, even unto today. The Roman Catholic Church sees Peter as the leader of the apostles, with the greatest authority, and therefore his successors carry on the greatest authority. The Roman Catholic Church combines this belief with the concept that Peter later became the first bishop of Rome, and that the Roman bishops that followed Peter were accepted by the early church as the central authority among all of the churches. Apostolic succession, combined with Peter’s supremacy among the apostles, results in the Roman bishop being the supreme authority of the Catholic Church – the Pope. However, nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “apostolic succession.” Further, neither is Peter presented as “supreme” over the other apostles. The apostle Paul, in fact, rebukes Peter when Peter was leading others astray (Galatians 2:11-14). Yes, the apostle Peter had a prominent role. Yes, perhaps the apostle Peter was the leader of the apostles (although the book of Acts records the apostle Paul and Jesus’ brother James as also having prominent leadership roles). Whatever the case, Peter was not the “commander” or supreme authority over the other apostles. Even if apostolic succession could be demonstrated from Scripture, which it cannot, apostolic succession would not result in Peter’s successors being absolutely supreme over the other apostles’ successors. Catholics point to Matthias being chosen to replace Judas as the twelfth apostle in Acts chapter 1 as an example of apostolic succession. While Matthias did indeed “succeed” Judas as an apostle, this is in no sense an argument for continuing apostolic succession. Matthias being chosen to replace Judas is only an argument for the church replacing ungodly and unfaithful leaders (such as Judas) with godly and faithful leaders (such as Matthias). Nowhere in the New Testament are any of the twelve apostles recorded as passing on their apostolic authority to successors. Nowhere do any of the apostles predict that they will pass on their apostolic authority. No, Jesus ordained the apostles to build the foundation of the church (Ephesians 2:20). What is the foundation of the church that the apostles built? The New Testament – the record of the deeds and teachings of the apostles. The church does not need apostolic successors. The church needs the teachings of the apostles accurately recorded and preserved. And that is exactly what God has provided in His Word (Ephesians 1:13; Colossians 1:5; 2 Timothy 2:15; 4:2). In short, apostolic succession is not biblical. The concept of apostolic succession is never found in Scripture. What is found in Scripture is that the true church will teach what the Scriptures teach and will compare all doctrines and practices to Scripture in order to determine what is true and right. The Roman Catholic Church claims that a lack of ongoing apostolic authority results in doctrinal confusion and chaos. It is an unfortunate truth (that the apostles acknowledged) that false teachers would arise (2 Peter 2:1). Admittedly, the lack of “supreme authority” among non-Catholic churches results in many different interpretations of the Bible. However, these differences in interpretation are not the result of Scripture being unclear. Rather, they are the result of even non-Catholic Christians carrying on the Catholic tradition of interpreting Scripture in accordance with their own traditions. If Scripture is studied in its entirety and in its proper context, the truth can be easily determined. Doctrinal differences and denominational conflicts are a result of some Christians refusing to agree with what Scripture says – not a result of there being no “supreme authority” to interpret Scripture. Alignment with scriptural teaching, not apostolic succession, is the determining factor of the trueness of a church. What is mentioned in Scripture is the idea that the Word of God was to be the guide that the church was to follow (Acts 20:32). It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17). It is the Scriptures that teachings are to be compared with (Acts 17:10-12). Apostolic authority was passed on through the writings of the apostles, not through apostolic succession.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 27, 2018 9:10:09 GMT
tell*? I try to talk about the Bible with anyone who wants to hear about it. I don’t talk to people about the Bible who want to attack what I believe about it or who don’t want to listen. Oh, what a turn?! If you want talk about Bible or something else, welcome into the world that has its own rules, and what has been built on traditions, not on Bible. That's what I've said you in the very first time. None cares what Bible's blambling. (I've read it; it's completed nonsense without the historical and cultural contexts.) yea, that’s why scripture says believers are not of this world. I, as a believer, don’t care for the world’s wisdom. It’s foolishness unto God. Psalm 18:2 KJV [2] The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower. Psalm 61:3 KJV [3] For thou hast been a shelter for me, and a strong tower from the enemy. Proverbs 18:10 KJV [10] The name of the Lord is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 9:14:03 GMT
Yes, because He came to be human too except 40 days that He didn't eat. But what does eating have to do with preaching? Because we can't understand bread, wine or something that Jesus has been talking about without its cultural samples. I'll answer it after the series of question, if you don't mind. Another question, did Jesus shave his face? (the same is for: did He work like a wood-master, did He sleep with girls?)
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 27, 2018 9:19:12 GMT
Yes, because He came to be human too except 40 days that He didn't eat. But what does eating have to do with preaching? Because we can't understand bread, wine or something that Jesus has been talking about without its cultural samples. I'll answer it after the series of question, if you don't mind. Another question, did Jesus shave his face? (the same is for: did He work like a wood-master, did He sleep with girls?) No He didn't sleep with anyone. God can't sin. And shaving isn't important. A guy can be with beard or without. And Jesus was a carpenter it says. So...I'm confused.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 9:35:51 GMT
Oh, what a turn?! If you want talk about Bible or something else, welcome into the world that has its own rules, and what has been built on traditions, not on Bible. That's what I've said you in the very first time. None cares what Bible's blambling. (I've read it; it's completed nonsense without the historical and cultural contexts.) yea, that’s why scripture says believers are not of this world. I, as a believer, don’t care for the world’s wisdom. It’s foolishness unto God. ..Yeah. Pretty fine final. So, are you serious now, dktrav88? If the world is mad, why try to make it better? The wisdom of world tells you, that Bible didn't invented by its own, and you refused this thought, but why you don't refuse everything else, like computer, I-net, phones, cars, planes, trains? All the things were made by the world wisdom, not Bible's one. Without this 'wisdom' world would be still like in Jesus times. And I'm sure, if it would be like that, people would crucify Christ million times, just for getting rid of this Bible nonsense. Because people don't need neither in Jesus, not in Bible; people want to find ways for welfare life, for health of their children, for cure for their parents, for their fiancee, etc etc etc. So, people don't need Bible, or they need Bible as a part of traditions, to understand it. Pointing Bible without it roots, it's like using Trojan Horse.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 9:41:01 GMT
Because we can't understand bread, wine or something that Jesus has been talking about without its cultural samples. I'll answer it after the series of question, if you don't mind. Another question, did Jesus shave his face? (the same is for: did He work like a wood-master, did He sleep with girls?) No He didn't sleep with anyone. God can't sin. And shaving isn't important. A guy can be with beard or without. And Jesus was a carpenter it says. So...I'm confused. I've read in N. Kazantzakis's "The Last Temptation of the Christ" that Jesus has been fallen in love with his cousin, Maria Magdalena. I think Nikos is right, because a man need to be with a girl, and her cousin is famous of her sexapile behavior. But can we maintain shaving like an important thing, that Christ has ordered us to do? (For men, certainly.) The same is about an art of carpenters, or fishing (as He was this fishing men.): are we need to be all carpenters and fishermen? Only The Traditions can give a clue on this, Bible can answer on this question.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 27, 2018 9:48:27 GMT
No He didn't sleep with anyone. God can't sin. And shaving isn't important. A guy can be with beard or without. And Jesus was a carpenter it says. So...I'm confused. I've read in N. Kazantzakis's "The Last Temptation of the Christ" that Jesus has been fallen in love with his cousin, Maria Magdalena. I think Nikos is right, because a man need to be with a girl, and her cousin is famous of her sexapile behavior. But can we maintain shaving like an important thing, that Christ has ordered us to do? (For men, certainly.) The same is about an art of carpenters, or fishing (as He was this fishing men.): are we need to be all carpenters and fishermen? Only The Traditions can give a clue on this, Bible can answer on this question. The Mary Magdalene thing isn't in the bible and I would assume it was made up just to discredit who Jesus is and what He stands for. So, I don't believe it. Plus it's a nasty accusation made by whoever. :( No we can have our normal jobs as Jesus was a carpenter. He was only a carpeter because He did what His earthly father Joseph did. Yet, Jesus was also a fisherman as in catching or getting souls ans He told us to be too. He explained the disciples who were catching fish since they were doing work as fishermen that He has another fishermen job for them to do too. So they fished for fish and fished for souls
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 9:56:57 GMT
ElizabethWell, firstly, I don't think that Magdalena's case is weird. I think Jesus was a real man, so He probably loved her cousin (I love my too ), so it's normal. Besides, how can you be sure there's no Maria Magdalena, because even in Scriptures we find info about brothers and sisters of Jesus? Who they were? what they did? We don't know until go to The Traditions. To equip it or not - is the choice of circumstances. For example, I love my female cousin, but what if I'm a good fella Christian, and I don't want to feel myself burning in the hot-pot in hell? What should I do? To marry her, or not? And what if I really love her? If I go to Scriptures I'll find different verses about it, form 'yes, you can do' to 'no, it's a sin' (just like in Paul's tasks (I forgot to whom, but there was something about a man who was slept with his niece or sorta) to it). And I would be confused, and would die like the Buridan donkey. Kazantzakis gives us a brilliant example of it. I think you should read it, because there was no such cruel things I'd said; I mean Jesus was fighting with his feeling to her cousin. He was a man in 'The Last Temptation...".
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 27, 2018 9:57:56 GMT
yea, that’s why scripture says believers are not of this world. I, as a believer, don’t care for the world’s wisdom. It’s foolishness unto God. ..Yeah. Pretty fine final. So, are you serious now, dktrav88? If the world is mad, why try to make it better? The wisdom of world tells you, that Bible didn't invented by its own, and you refused this thought, but why you don't refuse everything else, like computer, I-net, phones, cars, planes, trains? All the things were made by the world wisdom, not Bible's one. Without this 'wisdom' world would be still like in Jesus times. And I'm sure, if it would be like that, people would crucify Christ million times, just for getting rid of this Bible nonsense. Because people don't need neither in Jesus, not in Bible; people want to find ways for welfare life, for health of their children, for cure for their parents, for their fiancee, etc etc etc. So, people don't need Bible, or they need Bible as a part of traditions, to understand it. Pointing Bible without it roots, it's like using Trojan Horse. Like I said I try to tell people about the Bible who want to listen, not many people want to listen. End times prophecy even says there will be a falling away, that eventually believers will be thrown in prison and/or killed just for being believers. The way into heaven is a strait and narrow gate, and few there are that enter. So what you are telling me isn’t anything I don’t know already. No, the wisdom of the world says the Bible is just one of many religious books made by man, which I completely disagree with. The Bible says the Word has been since the beginning and has no beginning, it is eternal, even before it was ever written down. The wisdom of the world says that’s foolishness while God says the world’s wisdom is foolishness. I do not believe technology has anything to do with believing in God as there have been Christians who have invented many things, like the MRI machine for an example. We may have different definitions of wisdom. Sure, people want to find their own way, and they have the freedom of choice to do so. Nobody can force anyone to believe anything. But right now, we’re in a Christian thread in where the topic is biblical doctrine, so that is what we are going to be talking about here. Nobody is forcing you to believe in anything said here or even participate in the discussion. I don’t need the Bible as per traditions. I didn’t come to God through traditions, I wasn’t saved by traditions, I didn’t repent through traditions, traditions didn’t save me, traditions didn’t help me find God, traditions didn’t make me want to repent; an earnest and honest wanting to know the truth lead me to God and the Bible. Traditions were never in the picture. They are irrelevant.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 27, 2018 10:04:06 GMT
ElizabethWell, firstly, I don't think that Magdalena's case is weird. I think Jesus was a real man, so He probably loved her cousin (I love my too ), so it's normal. Besides, how can you be sure there's no Maria Magdalena, because even in Scriptures we find info about brothers and sisters of Jesus? Who they were? what they did? We don't know until go to The Traditions. To equip it or not - is the choice of circumstances. For example, I love my female cousin, but what if I'm a good fella Christian, and I don't want to feel myself burning in the hot-pot in hell? What should I do? To marry her, or not? And what if I really love her? If I go to Scriptures I'll find different verses about it, form 'yes, you can do' to 'no, it's a sin' (just like in Paul's tasks (I forgot to whom, but there was something about a man who was slept with his niece or sorta) to it). And I would be confused, and would die like the Buridan donkey. Kazantzakis gives us a brilliant example of it. I think you should read it, because there was no such cruel things I'd said; I mean Jesus was fighting with his feeling to her cousin. He was a man in 'The Last Temptation...". It can't be true because Jesus never sinned. Nor did he lust after this woman you mentioned. All He did was save her like everyone. If there was more there He would have kissed her like crazy after His resurrection when He saw her. But Bible says that when He say her He just told her to deliver a message to the disciples and then He left. If I saw my lover it would be at least some kisses at least before letting him go
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 10:14:35 GMT
..Yeah. Pretty fine final. So, are you serious now, dktrav88? If the world is mad, why try to make it better? The wisdom of world tells you, that Bible didn't invented by its own, and you refused this thought, but why you don't refuse everything else, like computer, I-net, phones, cars, planes, trains? All the things were made by the world wisdom, not Bible's one. Without this 'wisdom' world would be still like in Jesus times. And I'm sure, if it would be like that, people would crucify Christ million times, just for getting rid of this Bible nonsense. Because people don't need neither in Jesus, not in Bible; people want to find ways for welfare life, for health of their children, for cure for their parents, for their fiancee, etc etc etc. So, people don't need Bible, or they need Bible as a part of traditions, to understand it. Pointing Bible without it roots, it's like using Trojan Horse. Like I said I try to tell people about the Bible who want to listen, not many people want to listen. End times prophecy even says there will be a falling away, that eventually believers will be thrown in prison and/or killed just for being believers. The way into heaven is a strait and narrow gate, and few there are that enter. So what you are telling me isn’t anything I don’t know already. No, the wisdom of the world says the Bible is just one of many religious books made by man, which I completely disagree with. The Bible says the Word has been since the beginning and has no beginning, it is eternal, even before it was ever written down. The wisdom of the world says that’s foolishness while God says the world’s wisdom is foolishness. I do not believe technology has anything to do with believing in God as there have been Christians who have invented many things, like the MRI machine for an example. We may have different definitions of wisdom. Sure, people want to find their own way, and they have the freedom of choice to do so. Nobody can force anyone to believe anything. But right now, we’re in a Christian thread in where the topic is biblical doctrine, so that is what we are going to be talking about here. Nobody is forcing you to believe in anything said here or even participate in the discussion. I don’t need the Bible as per traditions. I didn’t come to God through traditions, I wasn’t saved by traditions, I didn’t repent through traditions, traditions didn’t save me, traditions didn’t help me find God, traditions didn’t make me want to repent; an earnest and honest wanting to know the truth lead me to God and the Bible. Traditions were never in the picture. They are irrelevant. You're a strong man, don't you know it? You probably have strong spirit Yes, times become less appropriate for Bible, it seems so. You're right in what you've talked about 'you didn't come to God through traditions', I agree with you on it. Firstly, when I'd read Bible I was feeling shock of what they did to Christ. Also, the story of Torah, and many others, of Judges, for example, was liked by me. I don't want to say that Bible completely nonsense, such books (as you gave as examples) 'Proverbs', 'Psalms', 'Job', 'Ecclesiastes', or the books of New Testament, including 'Apocalypses' seem to me very interesting and worthable to read. They fulfilled with many good stories, and wagon of truly thoughts. I don't even hesitate if I say that Bible is the one of the wisest books in the world. But, as soon as I try to understand it more, by investigate the history of creating it, or I go to Jerusalem to visit places where Christ has been lived and walked, or as soon as I try to get along with the culture, rituals and many other things that has been play a great role in that times, it's getting clear to me that Bible is not the only what it's written. The history and culture are not denying what Bible says, but they give you more important info about it. I'll try to explain it on another example. I've met a girl. We're dating, and she seems to be cool. It's time to get closer to each other, get acquainted with her parents, or get her with mine. If I don't know her well, or I know her just literally (e.g. we're just chatting with each other), it can be big fail if I don't know about her something that is able to barrier our relationship. So, I'll try to get more info about her, and she seems to be do the same. Clearness of our relationship is depend on our honestly between each other, and that means - to know from your 'heartlove' more. Therefore, Bible here is just like a girl which is loved by you. To love her more is to get more info about her, and so on. I think you could be a prophet. But something barriers you to be the one I think. Ok, may I ask you, have you read Dostoevsky's "Karamazov Brothers"?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 10:21:02 GMT
Elizabeth Well, firstly, I don't think that Magdalena's case is weird. I think Jesus was a real man, so He probably loved her cousin (I love my too ), so it's normal. Besides, how can you be sure there's no Maria Magdalena, because even in Scriptures we find info about brothers and sisters of Jesus? Who they were? what they did? We don't know until go to The Traditions. To equip it or not - is the choice of circumstances. For example, I love my female cousin, but what if I'm a good fella Christian, and I don't want to feel myself burning in the hot-pot in hell? What should I do? To marry her, or not? And what if I really love her? If I go to Scriptures I'll find different verses about it, form 'yes, you can do' to 'no, it's a sin' (just like in Paul's tasks (I forgot to whom, but there was something about a man who was slept with his niece or sorta) to it). And I would be confused, and would die like the Buridan donkey. Kazantzakis gives us a brilliant example of it. I think you should read it, because there was no such cruel things I'd said; I mean Jesus was fighting with his feeling to her cousin. He was a man in 'The Last Temptation...". It can't be true because Jesus never sinned. Nor did he lust after this woman you mentioned. All He did was save her like everyone. If there was more there He would have kissed her like crazy after His resurrection when He saw her. But Bible says that when He say her He just told her to deliver a message to the disciples and then He left. If I saw my lover it would be at least some kisses at least before letting him go Is it a sin to marry your cousin?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 27, 2018 10:38:33 GMT
Like I said I try to tell people about the Bible who want to listen, not many people want to listen. End times prophecy even says there will be a falling away, that eventually believers will be thrown in prison and/or killed just for being believers. The way into heaven is a strait and narrow gate, and few there are that enter. So what you are telling me isn’t anything I don’t know already. No, the wisdom of the world says the Bible is just one of many religious books made by man, which I completely disagree with. The Bible says the Word has been since the beginning and has no beginning, it is eternal, even before it was ever written down. The wisdom of the world says that’s foolishness while God says the world’s wisdom is foolishness. I do not believe technology has anything to do with believing in God as there have been Christians who have invented many things, like the MRI machine for an example. We may have different definitions of wisdom. Sure, people want to find their own way, and they have the freedom of choice to do so. Nobody can force anyone to believe anything. But right now, we’re in a Christian thread in where the topic is biblical doctrine, so that is what we are going to be talking about here. Nobody is forcing you to believe in anything said here or even participate in the discussion. I don’t need the Bible as per traditions. I didn’t come to God through traditions, I wasn’t saved by traditions, I didn’t repent through traditions, traditions didn’t save me, traditions didn’t help me find God, traditions didn’t make me want to repent; an earnest and honest wanting to know the truth lead me to God and the Bible. Traditions were never in the picture. They are irrelevant. You're a strong man, don't you know it? You probably have strong spirit Yes, times become less appropriate for Bible, it seems so. You're right in what you've talked about 'you didn't come to God through traditions', I agree with you on it. Firstly, when I'd read Bible I was feeling shock of what they did to Christ. Also, the story of Torah, and many others, of Judges, for example, was liked by me. I don't want to say that Bible completely nonsense, such books (as you gave as examples) 'Proverbs', 'Psalms', 'Job', 'Ecclesiastes', or the books of New Testament, including 'Apocalypses' seem to me very interesting and worthable to read. They fulfilled with many good stories, and wagon of truly thoughts. I don't even hesitate if I say that Bible is the one of the wisest books in the world. But, as soon as I try to understand it more, by investigate the history of creating it, or I go to Jerusalem to visit places where Christ has been lived and walked, or as soon as I try to get along with the culture, rituals and many other things that has been play a great role in that times, it's getting clear to me that Bible is not the only what it's written. The history and culture are not denying what Bible says, but they give you more important info about it. I'll try to explain it on another example. I've met a girl. We're dating, and she seems to be cool. It's time to get closer to each other, get acquainted with her parents, or get her with mine. If I don't know her well, or I know her just literally (e.g. we're just chatting with each other), it can be big fail if I don't know about her something that is able to barrier our relationship. So, I'll try to get more info about her, and she seems to be do the same. Clearness of our relationship is depend on our honestly between each other, and that means - to know from your 'heartlove' more. Therefore, Bible here is just like a girl which is loved by you. To love her more is to get more info about her, and so on. I think you could be a prophet. But something barriers you to be the one I think. Ok, may I ask you, have you read Dostoevsky's "Karamazov Brothers"? okay, I’ll go along with your analogy, but I can tell where you are heading with it. Why do I need to go to some random person or some random book for info about my girlfriend? My girlfriend should be honest with me from the get go, if I have any doubts about her then that’s me having trust issues. If I cannot trust my girlfriend then we will not have a good relationship, there will be many problems. As for her being honest, the truth of that will only expose itself; if she lies to me about anything that lie is very likely to rear its head and be exposed.. I have not experienced this with the Bible, everything I have read in it has never been shown to be false or unwise. Moreover, I think you have some trust issues as you doubt what your girlfriend has told you about herself.. or to put it in a real perspective, you doubt the Bible is truth. Why? I do not know. Only you can answer that question. And I can only speak from my own subjective experiences. You’re asking me if I have read this book because it says something in it that has put even more doubt in your mind about the Bible. I’ve learned that man cannot be trusted, that man is full of deceit, and want to turn people away from God and have been doing it for a long time. Of course, Satan is the source of this evil as he has been trying to question what God said since the time of Adam and Eve. That being said, and no I haven’t read that book or whatever it is, I’m not going to read it or trust the author(s).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 10:44:22 GMT
You're a strong man, don't you know it? You probably have strong spirit Yes, times become less appropriate for Bible, it seems so. You're right in what you've talked about 'you didn't come to God through traditions', I agree with you on it. Firstly, when I'd read Bible I was feeling shock of what they did to Christ. Also, the story of Torah, and many others, of Judges, for example, was liked by me. I don't want to say that Bible completely nonsense, such books (as you gave as examples) 'Proverbs', 'Psalms', 'Job', 'Ecclesiastes', or the books of New Testament, including 'Apocalypses' seem to me very interesting and worthable to read. They fulfilled with many good stories, and wagon of truly thoughts. I don't even hesitate if I say that Bible is the one of the wisest books in the world. But, as soon as I try to understand it more, by investigate the history of creating it, or I go to Jerusalem to visit places where Christ has been lived and walked, or as soon as I try to get along with the culture, rituals and many other things that has been play a great role in that times, it's getting clear to me that Bible is not the only what it's written. The history and culture are not denying what Bible says, but they give you more important info about it. I'll try to explain it on another example. I've met a girl. We're dating, and she seems to be cool. It's time to get closer to each other, get acquainted with her parents, or get her with mine. If I don't know her well, or I know her just literally (e.g. we're just chatting with each other), it can be big fail if I don't know about her something that is able to barrier our relationship. So, I'll try to get more info about her, and she seems to be do the same. Clearness of our relationship is depend on our honestly between each other, and that means - to know from your 'heartlove' more. Therefore, Bible here is just like a girl which is loved by you. To love her more is to get more info about her, and so on. I think you could be a prophet. But something barriers you to be the one I think. Ok, may I ask you, have you read Dostoevsky's "Karamazov Brothers"? okay, I’ll go along with your analogy, but I can tell where you are heading with it. Why do I need to go to some random person or some random book for info about my girlfriend? My girlfriend should be honest with me from the get go, if I have any doubts about her then that’s me having trust issues. If I cannot trust my girlfriend then we will not have a good relationship, there will be many problems. As for her being honest, the truth of that will only expose itself; if she lies to me about anything that lie is very likely to rear its head and be exposed.. I have not experienced this with the Bible, everything I have read in it has never been shown to be false or unwise. Moreover, I think you have some trust issues as you doubt what your girlfriend has told you about herself.. or to put it in a real perspective, you doubt the Bible is truth. Why? I do not know. Only you can answer that question. And I can only speak from my own subjective experiences. You’re asking me if I have read this book because it says something in it that has put even more doubt in your mind about the Bible. I’ve learned that man cannot be trusted, that man is full of deceit, and want to turn people away from God and have been doing it for a long time. Of course, Satan is the source of this evil as he has been trying to question what God said since the time of Adam and Eve. That being said, and no I haven’t read that book or whatever it is, I’m not going to read it or trust the author(s). Well, as you wish. It's your choice. Something is still confusing me: A. I agree with you about honesty with girlfriend by talking with her, spending a time with her, and being sincere with here, instead of spying her, or something like this. Yes, it's acceptable; B. But, below you're talking about that no man can be trusted..??? So, what am I suppose to do, if I want to be honest with a girl? Trust her, or Lust her?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 27, 2018 10:48:04 GMT
okay, I’ll go along with your analogy, but I can tell where you are heading with it. Why do I need to go to some random person or some random book for info about my girlfriend? My girlfriend should be honest with me from the get go, if I have any doubts about her then that’s me having trust issues. If I cannot trust my girlfriend then we will not have a good relationship, there will be many problems. As for her being honest, the truth of that will only expose itself; if she lies to me about anything that lie is very likely to rear its head and be exposed.. I have not experienced this with the Bible, everything I have read in it has never been shown to be false or unwise. Moreover, I think you have some trust issues as you doubt what your girlfriend has told you about herself.. or to put it in a real perspective, you doubt the Bible is truth. Why? I do not know. Only you can answer that question. And I can only speak from my own subjective experiences. You’re asking me if I have read this book because it says something in it that has put even more doubt in your mind about the Bible. I’ve learned that man cannot be trusted, that man is full of deceit, and want to turn people away from God and have been doing it for a long time. Of course, Satan is the source of this evil as he has been trying to question what God said since the time of Adam and Eve. That being said, and no I haven’t read that book or whatever it is, I’m not going to read it or trust the author(s). Well, as you wish. It's your choice. Something is still confusing me: A. I agree with you about honesty with girlfriend by talking with her, spending a time with her, and being sincere with here, instead of spying her, or something like this. Yes, it's acceptable; B. But, below you're talking about that no man can be trusted..??? So, what am I suppose to do, if I want to be honest with a girl? Trust her, or Lust her? The Bible isn’t a man or a woman. It’s God. Trust God. Have a trusting relationship with God. Put all of your trust and faith in God.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 10:52:04 GMT
Well, as you wish. It's your choice. Something is still confusing me: A. I agree with you about honesty with girlfriend by talking with her, spending a time with her, and being sincere with here, instead of spying her, or something like this. Yes, it's acceptable; B. But, below you're talking about that no man can be trusted..??? So, what am I suppose to do, if I want to be honest with a girl? Trust her, or Lust her? The Bible isn’t a man or a woman. It’s God. Trust God. Have a trusting relationship with God. With many respects to you, dktrav88, since you're man I can trust you're words. Take a As you said 'not to trust to people', ok, I won't. And I won't to trust you (because, you're a man, not God, aren't you?), and since your words are not truth, then the words 'Trust God' I will be understand like 'not trust to God'.
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