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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 21, 2018 7:58:49 GMT
www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevin-wax/johns-story-why-i-left-eastern-orthodoxy-for-evangelicalism/“I would have caved had I not begun reading the Bible the Baptists had given me,” John says with a smile. “As I began reading Scripture, I understood Jesus to be the only way to God. I realized I did not need the Orthodox church or even a priest to be my mediator, for Jesus was the mediator between me and the Father.” Though John does not use the term, it is clear from his testimony that he had acquired an unshakable belief in the Reformation doctrine of sola scriptura. “I realized that the Bible was the authority, even over the Church. The Bible was true, and the Church with all its traditions and rituals was wrong.” What do those who are members of the Orthodox Church think of this and the rest of what is said in the article?
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 12:06:52 GMT
unknown Yes, some teachers were good but some not. Not all taught well and I didn't understand them. I learned the most in high school. Those teachers explained well and teaching came naturally to them. But some were too confusing and didn't make good teachers so I just read the textbook instead and learned that way. Plus you can learn online or self study. So no teacher required! Doctors can be wrong too! Sometimes it's good to go to a different doctor to get a second opinion. And doctors scare me, Eugene, I try not to go to them. They give shots and it makes me faint :( I'm saying all of us today must use bible only because that's how Jesus teaches us. We aren't from Jesus' time when we got our bible from Jesus directly. Priest wasn't there or Pope. So we all must get it from bible. [quotes] Apostoles are just occasional persons, aren't it? If you object it, you automatically agree on something metaphysically, and get closer to Orthodoxy.[/quote] What do you mean? I think all of them were on the same level because all are human and are not all knowing like God is Yes, they should preach the gospel to all nations baptizing them after they believe and receive Christ so step 1 is to preach and to make them followers of Christ step 2 baptize them step 3 make sure they follow everything Jesus said Matthew 28:19-20 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Women as priests It's not about traffic or gaining popularity or competing for church members though. If people want to leave we we can't do nothing about it. It's free will.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 12:12:17 GMT
What does that mean? And I can't dance, play chess, do fishing, and none of that computer stuff. Soloing = individualism. As I said "Individualism will ruin Christianity". I'm not for division though. I'm for uniting Christians by Jesus' teaching. He's the vine and we're the branches. He leads and we follow like the sheep follow their shephard. John 10:27 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
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Post by just10sp on Apr 21, 2018 15:53:56 GMT
When Jesus came he has received all authority, these meant he was already King of Kings. He assumed the highest status in every regard. As King of Jews, he was far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. This inevitably means above the church, above all policy, above all police, above all government, above all specialists in any area, above all angels *Charubim, Seraphim*, above every ruler, and above all (everything) with a name. If you we're Master Chef, he was Headmaster Chef Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." It is %100 said in scripture in the book of John that He, Jesus, is the mediator, God the Father, the Son of Man, Rabbi, The Holy Spirit, and The Spirit of Truth. I personally believe he was Archangel Michael. The Cheif of Angels, in heaven, before being known as Immanual (Jesus). The Voice of the Archangel Let's start looking into the Word of God for answers. In the New Testament, Michael is easily identified as being Jesus when a few texts are compared. Let's do a comparison right now: 1. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 2. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 3. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 4. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 5. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. The Voice of the Son of Man 1. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 2. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 3. And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 4. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 5. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:25-29 Here we have a clear indication that Jesus the Messiah, may be the Lord of Hosts, as well as the Lord of Lords.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 17:56:48 GMT
just10sp yes He's above everything Archangel? Angels aren't equal to God though and Jesus made Himself equal to God. What do you mean?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 21, 2018 18:09:06 GMT
When Jesus came he has received all authority, these meant he was already King of Kings. He assumed the highest status in every regard. As King of Jews, he was far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. This inevitably means above the church, above all policy, above all police, above all government, above all specialists in any area, above all angels *Charubim, Seraphim*, above every ruler, and above all (everything) with a name. If you we're Master Chef, he was Headmaster Chef Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." It is %100 said in scripture in the book of John that He, Jesus, is the mediator, God the Father, the Son of Man, Rabbi, The Holy Spirit, and The Spirit of Truth. I personally believe he was Archangel Michael. The Cheif of Angels, in heaven, before being known as Immanual (Jesus). The Voice of the Archangel Let's start looking into the Word of God for answers. In the New Testament, Michael is easily identified as being Jesus when a few texts are compared. Let's do a comparison right now: 1. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 2. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 3. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 4. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 5. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. The Voice of the Son of Man 1. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 2. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 3. And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 4. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 5. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:25-29 Here we have a clear indication that Jesus the Messiah, may be the Lord of Hosts, as well as the Lord of Lords. Are you a JW?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 18:12:02 GMT
ElizabethIf you follow only the scriptures, then who is the author of the prophecy about 30 silver monet? Jeremiah or Zechariah?
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Post by just10sp on Apr 21, 2018 18:21:16 GMT
just10sp yes He's above everything Archangel? Angels aren't equal to God though and Jesus made Himself equal to God. What do you mean? Angel means messenger, Chief is a title just as Son of Man, so the Chief of messengers, may be another title that he takes, just as on Earth he rarely said that he was the father himself, and only spoke of the father, or even rarer said that he was God himself, in Heaven he may also call himself Cheif messenger in the same way he identifies with man as The Son of Man when dealing with humans on Earth, he may call himself an Archangel when dealing with angels, in different circumstances. It is a theory and there is definitely scripture that CAN back it up, but it is not definite.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 18:24:40 GMT
ElizabethIf you follow only the scriptures, then who is the author of the prophecy about 30 silver monet? Jeremiah or Zechariah? Quote it. I don't know what prophets have to do with this topic of different church doctrines.
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Post by just10sp on Apr 21, 2018 18:25:07 GMT
When Jesus came he has received all authority, these meant he was already King of Kings. He assumed the highest status in every regard. As King of Jews, he was far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. This inevitably means above the church, above all policy, above all police, above all government, above all specialists in any area, above all angels *Charubim, Seraphim*, above every ruler, and above all (everything) with a name. If you we're Master Chef, he was Headmaster Chef Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." It is %100 said in scripture in the book of John that He, Jesus, is the mediator, God the Father, the Son of Man, Rabbi, The Holy Spirit, and The Spirit of Truth. I personally believe he was Archangel Michael. The Cheif of Angels, in heaven, before being known as Immanual (Jesus). The Voice of the Archangel Let's start looking into the Word of God for answers. In the New Testament, Michael is easily identified as being Jesus when a few texts are compared. Let's do a comparison right now: 1. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 2. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 3. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 4. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 5. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. The Voice of the Son of Man 1. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 2. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 3. And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 4. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 5. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:25-29 Here we have a clear indication that Jesus the Messiah, may be the Lord of Hosts, as well as the Lord of Lords. Are you a JW? No I am definitely not JW. I don't agree with their views. I also don't let views that they have taint what could be real. If it was not so stereotypical thatJW originated this idea it would not be tainted, which they did not. Only JW claimed this belief. It is something that can be found in the bible, and it is my choice to consent to this belief. It is the only one I do not agree with other people with
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 18:30:54 GMT
just10sp yes He's above everything Archangel? Angels aren't equal to God though and Jesus made Himself equal to God. What do you mean? Angel means messenger, Chief is a title just as Son of Man, so the Chief of messengers, may be another title that he takes, just as on Earth he rarely said that he was the father himself, and only spoke of the father, or even rarer said that he was God himself, in Heaven he may also call himself Cheif messenger in the same way he identifies with man as The Son of Man when dealing with humans on Earth, he may call himself an Archangel when dealing with angels, in different circumstances. It is a theory and there is definitely scripture that CAN back it up, but it is not definite. That would make it weird. Basically He would be blaspheming and calling Himself God then if being an angel though right? Because of these verses. John 10:30 30 I and My Father are one.” And this bottom verse when He says to obey Him. Shouldn't we obey God not something else? And why does an archangel have full power in heaven and on earth then? Is God on vacation or gave up His job? XD Matthew 28:18-20 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 21, 2018 18:33:34 GMT
just10sp yes He's above everything Archangel? Angels aren't equal to God though and Jesus made Himself equal to God. What do you mean? Angel means messenger, Chief is a title just as Son of Man, so the Chief of messengers, may be another title that he takes, just as on Earth he rarely said that he was the father himself, and only spoke of the father, or even rarer said that he was God himself, in Heaven he may also call himself Cheif messenger in the same way he identifies with man as The Son of Man when dealing with humans on Earth, he may call himself an Archangel when dealing with angels, in different circumstances. It is a theory and there is definitely scripture that CAN back it up, but it is not definite. I don’t see any scripture supporting that notion that Jesus is Michael the Arch angel, much less an angel at all. The beginning of the gospel of John alone shatters this strange belief.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 18:42:48 GMT
A person who says that she does not need Tradition to understand the Bible should find the answer to this question Elizabeth
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Post by just10sp on Apr 21, 2018 18:43:33 GMT
Angel means messenger, Chief is a title just as Son of Man, so the Chief of messengers, may be another title that he takes, just as on Earth he rarely said that he was the father himself, and only spoke of the father, or even rarer said that he was God himself, in Heaven he may also call himself Cheif messenger in the same way he identifies with man as The Son of Man when dealing with humans on Earth, he may call himself an Archangel when dealing with angels, in different circumstances. It is a theory and there is definitely scripture that CAN back it up, but it is not definite. That would make it weird. Basically He would be blaspheming and calling Himself God then if being an angel though right? Because of these verses. John 10:30 30 I and My Father are one.” And this bottom verse when He says to obey Him. Shouldn't we obey God not something else? And why does an archangel have full power in heaven and on earth then? Is God on vacation or gave up His job? XD Matthew 28:18-20 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. That is taking it a bit far imo. It would be blasphemous for another to say so if it were not true. I am simply stating God called himself a Son of Man on Earth, and in heaven depending on peoples awareness and faith in him they may identify him as a divine being am simply stating he may then call himself an Archangel. Insinuating he is above angels. I understand I may be the only one on this forum with this belief and understanding. You can't just ignore the similarities between the two. I only listed 5. It is common for people to immediately be ridiculed for having noticed the scripture that makes them sound identical The dead will be raised. The dead in Christ will be raised. The voice.. with the Trump of God. The dead will hear their voices. I know Jesus is not a created being and is GOD, but I also believe that God speaks to you according to your understanding, and willing to do works before your eyes according to your faith.
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Post by just10sp on Apr 21, 2018 18:48:15 GMT
Angel means messenger, Chief is a title just as Son of Man, so the Chief of messengers, may be another title that he takes, just as on Earth he rarely said that he was the father himself, and only spoke of the father, or even rarer said that he was God himself, in Heaven he may also call himself Cheif messenger in the same way he identifies with man as The Son of Man when dealing with humans on Earth, he may call himself an Archangel when dealing with angels, in different circumstances. It is a theory and there is definitely scripture that CAN back it up, but it is not definite. I don’t see any scripture supporting that notion that Jesus is Michael the Arch angel, much less an angel at all. The beginning of the gospel of John alone shatters this strange belief. It is not strange and there is a ton of scripture that supports it. www.creation-science-prophecy.com/michael.htmWe will just have to agree to disagree ;p I personally have read said page numerous times, and came to my own conclusion. I have no denomination as I just follow Jesus to the best of my ability. This is what I agree with and I am firm about it.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 21, 2018 18:49:17 GMT
That would make it weird. Basically He would be blaspheming and calling Himself God then if being an angel though right? Because of these verses. John 10:30 30 I and My Father are one.” And this bottom verse when He says to obey Him. Shouldn't we obey God not something else? And why does an archangel have full power in heaven and on earth then? Is God on vacation or gave up His job? XD Matthew 28:18-20 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. That is taking it a bit far imo. It would be blasphemous for another to say so if it were not true. I am simply stating God called himself a Son of Man on Earth, and in heaven depending on peoples awareness and faith in him they may identify him as a divine being am simply stating he may then call himself an Archangel. Insinuating he is above angels. I understand I may be the only one on this forum with this belief and understanding. You can't just ignore the similarities between the two. I only listed 5. It is common for people to immediately be ridiculed for having noticed the scripture that makes them sound identical The dead will be raised. The dead in Christ will be raised. The voice.. with the Trump of God. The dead will hear their voices. I know Jesus is not a created being and is GOD, but I also believe that God speaks to you according to your understanding, and willing to do works before your eyes according to your faith. Proverbs 3:5-7 KJV [5] Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. [7] Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord , and depart from evil.
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