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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 21, 2018 7:58:49 GMT
www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevin-wax/johns-story-why-i-left-eastern-orthodoxy-for-evangelicalism/“I would have caved had I not begun reading the Bible the Baptists had given me,” John says with a smile. “As I began reading Scripture, I understood Jesus to be the only way to God. I realized I did not need the Orthodox church or even a priest to be my mediator, for Jesus was the mediator between me and the Father.” Though John does not use the term, it is clear from his testimony that he had acquired an unshakable belief in the Reformation doctrine of sola scriptura. “I realized that the Bible was the authority, even over the Church. The Bible was true, and the Church with all its traditions and rituals was wrong.” What do those who are members of the Orthodox Church think of this and the rest of what is said in the article?
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 11:00:15 GMT
That didn't say 30 of Eugene i need sleep
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 11:01:45 GMT
Falling asleep probably!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 11:04:27 GMT
Лилия напиши мне в приват! Мне лень думать на английском скажи мне или спроси у Девида где пророк Иеремия в Библии предсказал про 30 серебряников(Евангелия) об этом говорит...я то знаю много таких мест которые люди без Предания не смогут обяснить! Люди которые верят слову Бога должны уметь различать противоречия в Писании. ))))))) Super! Psalm 21:19, and also Psalm 68 (don't remember exactly where; it's about... forgot it).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 11:11:52 GMT
Лилия напиши мне в приват! Мне лень думать на английском скажи мне или спроси у Девида где пророк Иеремия в Библии предсказал про 30 серебряников(Евангелия) об этом говорит...я то знаю много таких мест которые люди без Предания не смогут обяснить! Люди которые верят слову Бога должны уметь различать противоречия в Писании. Sorry just multitasking. Will do. Prophet Jeremiah said 30 what of Eugene? I'm confused or falling asleep It is in Psalms. Thank you, that you're using me like an expert I like it But I dealt with it long ago. I want to say that Protestantism as Orthodoxy are almost the same thing, honestly. There's no point to argue with each other. Add Luters and Calvins to Fathers and everything will be good By the way, Martin Luter wrote good about Greek church. And I also want to underline: don't mess Orthodoxy to Catholics. They are similar, but not in authority like an authority of the Pope. Authority of Fathers is authority of people who made great influence in dogmas. Many 'weird' things in Orthodoxy is cultural things, because Orthodoxy is loyal to culture.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 11:19:17 GMT
unknown I don't know...I just call Jesus my teacher since He is the one who gave the doctrine to us. Shrug I can't really agree on that because the priest never met Jesus and never listened to His teaching like the origional 12 disciples did. So the priest is in the same situation as the rest of the people. He and we must know what Jesus wants so where do we find out? The bible of course. Jesus is only found in the Bible because it's God's word. Jesus is no longer preaching in synogues like He did before so we can't find Him preaching in a church or on the street anymore. He's found in the bible only. So we can hear Jesus again but only in the bible now until He comes again. Yes, so they must be good parents and raise kids right. It's not even about Protestantism. Let's ignore it. That's a word people use. In the bible a Christian can be referred to as a disciple, a child of God, a saint, etc. But the label in the bible only becomes true when the person lives up to what Jesus taught so we must work on the biblical names of being a Christian.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 11:21:44 GMT
A church is just a group of people. Jesus gave His word to help such a community. Diamond wanted to say that the deniers of His words are scums Well, yeah if Jesus didn't say it then I agree! Somewhere in Mathews from 5 to 7 (teachings) is about 'two or three in my name were grouped together...'. And also 'I will create my church and no enemies will take it' (well, I don't remember where exactly; I haven't read Bible since all good times). Solo scriptura; Solo cheat-chattings; Solo having sex; Solo listen to music; Solo with friends; Solo in go to forest; Solo at others opinions; Solo was born; Solo sew my clothes; Solo play chess; Solo sing; Solo win; Solo dance salsa; Solo fishing; Solo serving; Solo brazing plats for computer; Solo programming operating systems, and solo use it; Solo at my own net; Solo read books; Solo invent my own language, and solo speak on it... What a beautiful Protestantism!
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 11:26:18 GMT
Sorry just multitasking. Will do. Prophet Jeremiah said 30 what of Eugene? I'm confused or falling asleep It is in Psalms. Thank you, that you're using me like an expert I like it But I dealt with it long ago. I want to say that Protestantism as Orthodoxy are almost the same thing, honestly. There's no point to argue with each other. Add Luters and Calvins to Fathers and everything will be good By the way, Martin Luter wrote good about Greek church. And I also want to underline: don't mess Orthodoxy to Catholics. They are similar, but not in authority like an authority of the Pope. Authority of Fathers is authority of people who made great influence in dogmas. Many 'weird' things in Orthodoxy is cultural things, because Orthodoxy is loyal to culture. I don't know anything Luther wrote. I never read his stuff. I just didn't like learning about him in history class So Catholics have authority of pope and orthodox of priest? Or more differences? Because yeah I don't know the differences Shrug
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 11:27:25 GMT
I already clearly wrote my position and no one could refute it well! Bored girls.... goodnight
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 11:28:25 GMT
Well, yeah if Jesus didn't say it then I agree! Somewhere in Mathews from 5 to 7 (teachings) is about 'two or three in my name were grouped together...'. And also 'I will create my church and no enemies will take it' (well, I don't remember where exactly; I haven't read Bible since all good times). Solo scriptura; Solo cheat-chattings; Solo having sex; Solo listen to music; Solo with friends; Solo in go to forest; Solo at others opinions; Solo was born; Solo sew my clothes; Solo play chess; Solo sing; Solo win; Solo dance salsa; Solo fishing; Solo serving; Solo brazing plats for computer; Solo programming operating systems, and solo use it; Solo at my own net; Solo read books; Solo invent my own language, and solo speak on it... What a beautiful Protestantism! What does that mean? And I can't dance, play chess, do fishing, and none of that computer stuff.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 11:29:16 GMT
I already clearly wrote my position and no one could refute it well! Bored girls.... goodnight Who else is a girl in this thread? O.o
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 11:30:22 GMT
Elizabeth хочешь знать различие пиши мне, я скажу когда у меня будет больше свободного времени
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 21, 2018 11:31:17 GMT
I already clearly wrote my position and no one could refute it well! Bored girls.... goodnight God’s word refutes your position, take heed.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 21, 2018 11:31:51 GMT
Just a portable phrase Nothing more Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 11:45:42 GMT
A. And what about the rest of your teachers? I mean at school, or in college? The elders are always smarter; it's naturally. We could break their rule - being not another brick into the wall - but it would be not smart, because help often was required us. Ok, you're possible to answer: we pray. But when it's necessary to cure you, you don't pray, but make a visit to a doctor, do you? The doctor is a specialist/expert. But, Bible is different, I agree at this, because everyone is a reader here... right?.. or someone... can't read me?.. Well, but it'd rather show that my knowledge of English is very tiny...). There's two things that has to be uttered: a. Teachers (of Fathers) are as helpers to understand Bible, or b. They usurp our understanding? If you pick an 'a', you're closer to Orthodoxy. B. No, it's not true. Some of them which are called 'little apostoles' have seen Jesus at his childhood (I don't remember exactly now. I can answer on it later, cause now I'm typing being hurry...). Besides, they lived closer to Jesus. Mark and Luke weren't close apostoles too, and they could see no Jesus too; also, there are several another Gospels from other authors that shows different things, I mean Gnostics teachings, etc... Codex is just a codex, it was applied later. It is not an objection of taking into account meaning of Fathers, because they haven't seen Jesus. Judas was a traitor, Thomas wasn't a believer till he was pleasured by an 'experience'. Apostoles are just occasional persons, aren't it? If you object it, you automatically agree on something metaphysically, and get closer to Orthodoxy. Of Fathers not seeing of Jesus didn't mean that they were dumber than John Smith, or Erasmus of Rotterdam for example. I'd say they were more known in details with Gospels as good as with Bible, and also with Greek philosophy (look at Origen's writings, and on John of Damascus's). So, I believe them more in some details, because they're about to be trusted in it. C. Every parents must be so, but there's no ideal ones D. Yes. This is obvious, but at the same time, Christians need either to teach the words of God, or go to hell I was saying not on Protestantism or something else, I really don't care, but I was saying about reunion. Christianity is not in good now, look at least on Anglicans, they have applied women to be priests, because of lack of their visitors. Individualism will ruin Christianity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 11:47:39 GMT
Somewhere in Mathews from 5 to 7 (teachings) is about 'two or three in my name were grouped together...'. And also 'I will create my church and no enemies will take it' (well, I don't remember where exactly; I haven't read Bible since all good times). Solo scriptura; Solo cheat-chattings; Solo having sex; Solo listen to music; Solo with friends; Solo in go to forest; Solo at others opinions; Solo was born; Solo sew my clothes; Solo play chess; Solo sing; Solo win; Solo dance salsa; Solo fishing; Solo serving; Solo brazing plats for computer; Solo programming operating systems, and solo use it; Solo at my own net; Solo read books; Solo invent my own language, and solo speak on it... What a beautiful Protestantism! What does that mean? And I can't dance, play chess, do fishing, and none of that computer stuff. Soloing = individualism. As I said "Individualism will ruin Christianity".
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