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Post by skapunkboi on Feb 16, 2018 2:24:33 GMT
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Post by Etu Malku on Dec 25, 2019 1:02:36 GMT
I'm not a Satanist by identification. La Vey's religion was super silly and I'm not one for theatrics! That being said I don't think people should worship anything or anyone. I'm sickened by the idea of humans being put in the slave position. Because of how theocratic human society has been through the ages there really isn't a mythical figure against the rule of a "god" or some other king figure. I mean the (non-biblical) Lucifer just wanted to replace god, and Satan is in the old testament is really just a kind of enforcer for god. Lame. I consider myself part of whatever people don't want any of that crap. I do kind of like these guys because of some of their campaigns: thesatanictemple.com/ I've got a membership card! Here in the states they answer Christians who want to put up religious statues on public lands. When a religious group tries to do this, they invoke their own freedom of religion to put a Baphomet statue right up next to them. I'm having trouble finding any information where Lucifer wanted to replace God (Yahweh).
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 25, 2019 3:41:01 GMT
I'm not a Satanist by identification. La Vey's religion was super silly and I'm not one for theatrics! That being said I don't think people should worship anything or anyone. I'm sickened by the idea of humans being put in the slave position. Because of how theocratic human society has been through the ages there really isn't a mythical figure against the rule of a "god" or some other king figure. I mean the (non-biblical) Lucifer just wanted to replace god, and Satan is in the old testament is really just a kind of enforcer for god. Lame. I consider myself part of whatever people don't want any of that crap. I do kind of like these guys because of some of their campaigns: thesatanictemple.com/ I've got a membership card! Here in the states they answer Christians who want to put up religious statues on public lands. When a religious group tries to do this, they invoke their own freedom of religion to put a Baphomet statue right up next to them. I'm having trouble finding any information where Lucifer wanted to replace God (Yahweh). I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isaiah:14:14
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Post by Etu Malku on Dec 25, 2019 4:25:18 GMT
But that is the King of Babylon, not Lucifer.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 25, 2019 7:52:42 GMT
But that is the King of Babylon, not Lucifer. 12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; No king fell from heaven. Only a fallen angel named Lucifer fell from heaven. So it's not about a king but something that came from heaven like it says. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.Luke:10:18
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Post by Etu Malku on Dec 25, 2019 17:51:41 GMT
But that is the King of Babylon, not Lucifer. 12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; No king fell from heaven. Only a fallen angel named Lucifer fell from heaven. So it's not about a king but something that came from heaven like it says. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.Luke:10:18 This is a common misunderstanding.
The term lucifer or the name Lucifer didn’t even exist in the Biblical ages, the Old Testament was written primarily in Hebrew, so the word Lucifer would not have been in their language. They used the word 'Helel' as previously mentioned. In 382 AD, Pope Damasus I commissioned St. Jerome to write a revision of the old Latin translation of the Bible. This task was completed sometime during the 5th century AD, and eventually it was considered the official and definite Latin version of the Bible according to the Roman Catholic church. By the 13th century it was considered the versio vulgate – the common translation. It was St. Jerome who placed the word Lucifer into the Bible Isaiah 14:12 (Vulgate translation): "Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem : cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestries" The association is clearly in regards to the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar and is in reference to the Morning Star which is a title that Jesus uses for himself as well. Revelation 22:16: "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." In the Abrahamic bible the word lucifer is being used in its adjective form to describe something or someone. The deified personification of the Morning Star / Lucifer began and ended in ancient Rome. Further reading: shamelesspopery.com/lucifer/
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Post by Etu Malku on Dec 25, 2019 17:53:40 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 25, 2019 19:31:54 GMT
12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; No king fell from heaven. Only a fallen angel named Lucifer fell from heaven. So it's not about a king but something that came from heaven like it says. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.Luke:10:18 This is a common misunderstanding. The term lucifer or the name Lucifer didn’t even exist in the Biblical ages, the Old Testament was written primarily in Hebrew, so the word Lucifer would not have been in their language. They used the word 'Helel' as previously mentioned. In 382 AD, Pope Damasus I commissioned St. Jerome to write a revision of the old Latin translation of the Bible. This task was completed sometime during the 5th century AD, and eventually it was considered the official and definite Latin version of the Bible according to the Roman Catholic church. By the 13th century it was considered the versio vulgate – the common translation. It was St. Jerome who placed the word Lucifer into the Bible Isaiah 14:12 (Vulgate translation): "Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem : cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestries" The association is clearly in regards to the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar and is in reference to the Morning Star which is a title that Jesus uses for himself as well. Revelation 22:16: "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." In the Abrahamic bible the word lucifer is being used in its adjective form to describe something or someone. The deified personification of the Morning Star / Lucifer began and ended in ancient Rome. Further reading: shamelesspopery.com/lucifer/Son of the morning and morning star are different things. The names are even written different which is the first obvious thing. Jesus said He saw satan fall. He saw someone fall. The only kicked out of heaven one was satan, which is why satan has fallen as Isaiah and Jesus said. Jesus didn't fall. Jesus saw someone fall He says. Jesus came down from heaven and ascended back up. Jesus never fell . Bible is also darn clear that Jesus cant fall because His angels will catch Him and prevent a fall. Jesus also didn't try to be the most high because He is the most high. Only satan, Lucifer, tried to be the most high. Hence, why satan fell out of heaven. He got kicked out and no longer allowed to return. And Jesus is in heaven now on throne it says. So let's not confuse Jesus and Satan together. That's just silly. One's God and one's satan. One got kicked out for trying to be something he's not and one took His rightful place in heaven on His throne.
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Post by Etu Malku on Dec 25, 2019 20:55:15 GMT
It's a metaphor, the morningstar as failed usurper is ancient poetic license. The fallen is clearly Nebechudezzner who may or may not be seen as energized by Satan, that is opinion, and the use of Satan in any of this is proper, whereas the use of Lucifer as a deity is not. Lucifer is an Egyptian-Roman-Greco deity and has nothing to do with any of the Abrahamic faiths. Babylonian myth has the very first association to the concept of a 'fallen' deity and its association with the Morning Star. The Sumerian king Etana is driven by his pride to strive for the highest seat among the star‑gods on the Northern Mountain . . . but was hurled down by the supreme ruler of the Babylonian Olympus. A Caananite myth from Phonecia called the "Fall of the day star" describes the fall of Helel ben Shahar (Son of the Dawn). Another Ugaritic myth called the Baal cycle describes the fall of the god Attar from Saphon and the "invasion of the garden of gods". In another Mesopotamian myth the god Helel tries to overthrow the great god El. Eventually, these myths became the Sumerian story of Ishtar and Inanna's descent into the Underworld. Here Inanna is directly associated with the planet Venus. Later, Helel is translated into Greek as Eosphorus/Phosphorus. And in this translation, the word means ‘light/dawn bearer’ while Hesperus, the Evening Star is the Son of the Dawn goddess Eos. Why would the Pope and the Church use the word 'lucifer' in a sermon (that I posted earlier)? LatinFlammas eius lúcifer matutínus invéniat: ille, inquam, lúcifer, qui nescit occásum. Christus Fílius tuus, qui, regréssus ab ínferis, humáno géneri serénus illúxit, et vivit et regnat in sæcula sæculórum. EnglishMay this flame be found still burning by the Morning Star: the one Morning Star who never sets, Christ your Son, who, coming back from death’s domain, has shed his peaceful light on humanity, and lives and reigns for ever and ever. www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/who-or-what-was-lucifer"Jesus being seen as the morning star means the eternal morning is about to dawn. Hence, Christ as the morning star is a picture of great promise and hope." www.christianity.com/jesus/is-jesus-god/names-of-jesus/why-is-jesus-called-the-morning-star.html
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 26, 2019 8:10:02 GMT
So when did someone other than satan fall from heaven? How did they even get there in the first place? And I don't follow the pope so whatever he says is just gibberish to me. I go strictly by what Scripture says. Pope is a paedophile with lots of other issues so he's a satan worshipper and not one for me to take any interest in.
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Post by Etu Malku on Dec 26, 2019 22:20:23 GMT
So when did someone other than satan fall from heaven? How did they even get there in the first place? And I don't follow the pope so whatever he says is just gibberish to me. I go strictly by what Scripture says. Pope is a paedophile with lots of other issues so he's a satan worshipper and not one for me to take any interest in. I did say a few times this is metaphor, attributed to the mythology of the morning star, used by many cultures and beliefs. I gather you have not bothered to read anything I have posted? I don't know if the Pope is a pedophile, he's never been accused of or found guilty of that. I don't see how any of that would make him a worshiper of Satan either.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Dec 27, 2019 0:01:39 GMT
Lucifer Was Based on the Myth of Prometheus, in Which the Supreme God Was a Tyrant
Be serious. Satanism could be for someone, like Lucifer, who doesn't see why he has to put up with absolute and overpowering authority. So it would be the opposite of Big Government Liberalism or Big Money Conservatism.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Dec 27, 2019 0:33:52 GMT
So when did someone other than satan fall from heaven? How did they even get there in the first place? And I don't follow the pope so whatever he says is just gibberish to me. I go strictly by what Scripture says. Pope is a paedophile with lots of other issues so he's a satan worshipper and not one for me to take any interest in. I did say a few times this is metaphor, attributed to the mythology of the morning star, used by many cultures and beliefs. I gather you have not bothered to read anything I have posted? I don't know if the Pope is a pedophile, he's never been accused of or found guilty of that. I don't see how any of that would make him a worshiper of Satan either. Why A-Students Have Only This Choice: King or SlavePrometheus is the god of creativity. He used his skill at inventing weapons to help his fellow Titan, Zeus, to overthrow the previous Supreme Being, Kronos. Then he used them to help mankind. Zeus resented that and imprisoned Prometheus, chaining him somewhere in the Caucasian Mountains, which were quite far away from Greece, showing how far back the conflict between intelligence and predatory power went. Lucifer, being the Dawn, obviously was bringing firemaking, sailing, agriculture, to mankind: enlightenment. The first sign of slavishness towards superstition was crediting a god, Prometheus, with this, when it was, in real life, intelligent men who did all that. So inventors are insulted by people who think they are just tools of supernatural inspiration and do not deserve to be rewarded. The real-life Zeuses, the parasitic investors, steal all inventors' money that way.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 27, 2019 8:06:44 GMT
So when did someone other than satan fall from heaven? How did they even get there in the first place? And I don't follow the pope so whatever he says is just gibberish to me. I go strictly by what Scripture says. Pope is a paedophile with lots of other issues so he's a satan worshipper and not one for me to take any interest in. I did say a few times this is metaphor, attributed to the mythology of the morning star, used by many cultures and beliefs. I gather you have not bothered to read anything I have posted? I don't know if the Pope is a pedophile, he's never been accused of or found guilty of that. I don't see how any of that would make him a worshiper of Satan either. Bible doesn't use metaphors in describing events just describing scenery. And metaphors have certain words used to show it's a metaphor. These words do not exist when talking about someone falling from heaven. That passage fails to be a metaphor in all possible ways.
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Post by Etu Malku on Dec 27, 2019 11:06:54 GMT
I did say a few times this is metaphor, attributed to the mythology of the morning star, used by many cultures and beliefs. I gather you have not bothered to read anything I have posted? I don't know if the Pope is a pedophile, he's never been accused of or found guilty of that. I don't see how any of that would make him a worshiper of Satan either. Bible doesn't use metaphors in describing events just describing scenery. And metaphors have certain words used to show it's a metaphor. These words do not exist when talking about someone falling from heaven. That passage fails to be a metaphor in all possible ways. Ha! That entire book is a metaphor . . . let me dumb it down for ya Morning Star = Failed Usurper (fallen star) King Nebuchadnezzar = Failed Usurper (fallen king) Lucifer = Morning Star (metaphor)
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 27, 2019 18:57:33 GMT
Bible doesn't use metaphors in describing events just describing scenery. And metaphors have certain words used to show it's a metaphor. These words do not exist when talking about someone falling from heaven. That passage fails to be a metaphor in all possible ways. Ha! That entire book is a metaphor . . . let me dumb it down for ya Morning Star = Failed Usurper (fallen star) King Nebuchadnezzar = Failed Usurper (fallen king) Lucifer = Morning Star (metaphor) You'll need to fight a religion. King Nebuchadnezzar was a king who matters little. Just another person in history. Son of the morning it says not morning star so don't confuse that. Two different things. Son of the morning implies some male figure that something starts with. Morning star is a name of a star. A name isn't a metaphor. It's just a name. Your name isn't a metaphor and neither is mine. Lucifer is also a name not a metaphor. Some people are named Lucifer too. In Christianity it's Satan's name. There's no point arguing me about it. You'll need to fight the religion as I said since it's not liking your Lucifer version.
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