Clovis Merovingian
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Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Feb 10, 2018 12:49:05 GMT
I've seen on this forum some anti-semetic comments and thus I figured that I'd ask a question that has always confused me. Why in Gods name would anyone hate the Jews? Especially if you claim to be a Christian. The Bible says specifically that the Jews are Gods chosen people. Jesus was a Jew. Saint Paul was a Jew. Moses was a Jew. All of the great people of the Bible including the son of our God were Jews. On top of that, what on earth have the Jews done to you to deserve your hatred? Yes many Jews are left wing (mostly the non religious or atheistic ones) but so are most Europeans. I've heard nationalists blame the Jews for the mass immigration of Muslims to their countries but that is quite frankly a retarded position to take. Europeans are to blame for their own stupid decisions. Angela Merkel is German, and most of the European union is made up of white people. Yes, George Soros is Jewish, but George Soros is not a man who is loyal to Israel or the Jews. George Soros wants of border-less world united under one language and one government. He is not proof of some crackpot conspiracy that Jews are trying to genocide white people. The Jews all in all are a very intelligent people who have contributed greatly to our world in scientific pursuits especially.
I make my statement for the record, I love the Jews, I love Israel, I hate Nazis, I hate racism, and I hate Hitler. Hitler was sword swallowing syphilis infected genocidal ugly piece of garbage who for most of his life was a bum and who turned evil because his daddy beat him (rightly so) as a child.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 8, 2018 6:37:41 GMT
So those during the old testament times made no big contributions? They were mostly all followers of Judaism. And that was the time they were a pure race. Now it's mostly many Jews who are mixed anyway The Old Testament times, before Ezra, was before Judaism. Ezra invented Judaism. The Old Testament is not racist, so the Israelites were mixed. When the Israelites left Egypt "An ethnically diverse crowd also went up with them" (Exodus 12:38) and they were assimilated. Moses himself married a Midianite (probably arab) and a Cushite (Ethiopian, black). Ezra introduced racism later. Ok then what religion were they following before Ezra? So they're 2 religions in OT?
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Post by fschmidt on Oct 8, 2018 6:54:48 GMT
Ok then what religion were they following before Ezra? So they're 2 religions in OT? Before Ezra was the Israelite religion. If you search for "jews" in the OT, you will only find this word in Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther. In other words, only at the end. Before that, there was no concept of jews. Not really. Ezra marks the destruction of the Israelite religion and the birth of Judaism. But Judaism isn't developed in the OT, so the OT isn't about Judaism.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 8, 2018 19:29:39 GMT
Ok then what religion were they following before Ezra? So they're 2 religions in OT? Before Ezra was the Israelite religion. If you search for "jews" in the OT, you will only find this word in Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther. In other words, only at the end. Before that, there was no concept of jews. Not really. Ezra marks the destruction of the Israelite religion and the birth of Judaism. But Judaism isn't developed in the OT, so the OT isn't about Judaism. Ok then...what religion or religions is OT about? Because even though they didn't mention the word Judaism there was still a religion from the time of Adam to the time of Jesus that all the people followed.
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Post by fschmidt on Oct 8, 2018 20:41:48 GMT
Ok then...what religion or religions is OT about? There is no word for this in English (maybe "Israelite"). In Hebrew it would be "am yisrael" which maybe could be translated as "the people of the struggle of God". Between Adam and Jesus, there were 3 religions. The first was from Adam to Jacob. This was vague, not clearly defined. Then from Jacob to Ezra was the OT religion. After Ezra was Judaism.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 9, 2018 0:05:32 GMT
Ok then...what religion or religions is OT about? There is no word for this in English (maybe "Israelite"). In Hebrew it would be "am yisrael" which maybe could be translated as "the people of the struggle of God". Between Adam and Jesus, there were 3 religions. The first was from Adam to Jacob. This was vague, not clearly defined. Then from Jacob to Ezra was the OT religion. After Ezra was Judaism. So Israelites/Jews had 3 different religions? Why? What's the point? How are they different?
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Post by fschmidt on Oct 10, 2018 2:09:07 GMT
So Israelites/Jews had 3 different religions? Why? What's the point? How are they different? A brief history: Before Abraham, we don't know much about what people believed. Abraham started current monotheism. So he is the shared starting point for Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Jacob took the approach of struggling to understand and implement what is right. Moses took this to its logical conclusion and provided an ideal system for the Israelites along with explanations. But the Israelites were human and therefore degenerate morons, so they messed it all up and it collapsed. Ezra then said the Jews (which means people of Judah) should focus on race, not what is right. This approach is common in degenerating cultures and we can see exactly the same thing with white nationalists today. The next step was Hillel who founded Talmudic Judaism. This basically overruled everything in the Torah using convoluted arguments and made the entire religion about nothing but racism. Then came Jesus who basically said that if people are too stupid to understand the reasoning of what Moses said, then they should just accept it based on faith. But the Christians were human and therefore degenerate morons, so they twisted the faith in all kinds of ways and called everyone who twisted it in a different direction "heretics". Then came Muhammad who basically said forget about understanding and forget about faith. Just follow the basic rules based on submission to God. Of course Muslims are human and therefore degenerate morons, so they messed this up in various ways too.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 11, 2018 10:23:30 GMT
So Israelites/Jews had 3 different religions? Why? What's the point? How are they different? A brief history: Before Abraham, we don't know much about what people believed. Abraham started current monotheism. So he is the shared starting point for Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Jacob took the approach of struggling to understand and implement what is right. Moses took this to its logical conclusion and provided an ideal system for the Israelites along with explanations. But the Israelites were human and therefore degenerate morons, so they messed it all up and it collapsed. Ezra then said the Jews (which means people of Judah) should focus on race, not what is right. This approach is common in degenerating cultures and we can see exactly the same thing with white nationalists today. The next step was Hillel who founded Talmudic Judaism. This basically overruled everything in the Torah using convoluted arguments and made the entire religion about nothing but racism. Then came Jesus who basically said that if people are too stupid to understand the reasoning of what Moses said, then they should just accept it based on faith. But the Christians were human and therefore degenerate morons, so they twisted the faith in all kinds of ways and called everyone who twisted it in a different direction "heretics". Then came Muhammad who basically said forget about understanding and forget about faith. Just follow the basic rules based on submission to God. Of course Muslims are human and therefore degenerate morons, so they messed this up in various ways too. I thought Rabbi Akiva was the Creator of modern Judaism.
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Post by fschmidt on Oct 12, 2018 1:39:02 GMT
I thought Rabbi Akiva was the Creator of modern Judaism. Why do you think this?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 12, 2018 9:51:37 GMT
I thought Rabbi Akiva was the Creator of modern Judaism. Why do you think this? According to my study of Judaism, it was his school that opened the Talmud. Him and his students...Rashbi for example. Their doctrine was the starting point for modern Judaism after the Pharisees era.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 18:44:10 GMT
As a decent Jewish fella once put it, people hate what they see in themselves. Their worst possibilities have become materialized in Jewish community, which serve as a warning to the rest of mankind. The Jew's past history is the indictment of that community. The non-Jew tries to shake his own Jewishness off of him while the Jew tries to shake off the terrible stigma his people have been burdened with. The Jew is neither a religion nor a nation nor a race (in the proper created, or developed, sense). What links all Jews is Jewish identity or upbringing, common interest or threat, and a corrupted racial instinct (which they value over their language). Their creed is universal enmity, war of all against all; and their ultimate goal is world annihilation (a goal I happen to sympathize with).
There are four ways to view the Jewish question: the naive philo-Semitism, the belligerent anti-Semitism, the perspective humanist Semitism, and the universality of all life. The first two are one-sided. Luther started off as the first but fully transitioned to the second in his old age. He cautioned that one should keep the Jew in front of his view at all times as a reminder of what not to become. Nietzsche was an example of the first viewpoint, although he was able to view Jewish sufferings and persecutions from more than one angle (this is the third category), a trait which he shares with Kalergi. Nietzsche was racially conscious, Kalergi was racially degenerated. Nieztsche was always philo-Semitic, Kalergi started off as an anti-Semite. Adolf Hitler and Dietrich Eckart could also fall under this third category. In his autobiography, Hitler identified the Jews with a providential role, which he later expanded on in his private conversations. His mentor Dietrich Eckart held similar views. Eckart emphasized the necessity of materialism, which he identified as "world-affirmation". Hitler emphasized the necessity of idealism, which Eckart labelled "world-denial". Hitler compared his treatment of Jews (the expulsions prior to the alleged genocide) to the cruel and denigrating treatment they had received from various popes. Only Goethe emerges as a true modern adherent of the fourth viewpoint. That did not prevent him from functioning as a gardener when marriages between Jews and Christians was authorized. He opposed the Jewish-Christian teaching which only took into account the parts and not the whole. In antiquity, Christ and Plato held this view of a divine existence. The churches betrayed Christ and the Greek sophists emerged victorious.
The Jewish Messiah is viewed as an useful tool for Jews and a veil for non-Jews. But what if he were to become something more? A genius must find a way to emancipate Jewry, without inhibiting the development of non-Jews in the progress. Theodor Herzl, who knew what his people had in mind, pointed out how the Jews had no way of raising themselves up from their condition without assuming financial power or becoming the leading agents of Bolshevism. All philo-Semites, and some adherents of perspective semitism, are guilty of neglecting the non-Jewish community in favor of Jewry.
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Post by fschmidt on Oct 17, 2018 21:21:51 GMT
The Jew is neither a religion nor a nation nor a race (in the proper created, or developed, sense). What links all Jews is Jewish identity or upbringing, common interest or threat, and a corrupted racial instinct (which they value over their language). Everything you wrote is wrong, but this is particularly absurd. Jews are a race and not all jews have jewish identity. I don't and my father didn't. My father was part of the Hungarian upper class and knew almost nothing about Judaism. And I was raised American and only looked into alternatives including Judaism when American culture degenerated beyond repair. I don't like Hitler because he was racist, but at least he was intelligent. The same can't be said for today's racists. On the minus side, their lack of intelligence produces incoherent rambling. But on the plus side, they are too stupid to successfully act on their racism.
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