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Post by lulu on Feb 1, 2018 8:42:29 GMT
Looking into Joseph Campbells "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" I've realized how many forms of media and even philosophical literature uses a mythological structure and ideal man to convey a message or explore an idea. So I wonder, it is a necessity for society to have myths of their beliefs to explain and maybe even romanticize what is valued?
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 1, 2018 8:49:12 GMT
I don't think it's very necessary at all. I think they just wanted to be creative and make myths to pass the beliefs down more easily as through a story basically to better remember the belief or idea. Like Jesus used parables in the bible to help the people understand the ten commandments better. Like when we think of the commandment of loving our neighbor we can think of the good Samaritan story. But myths or parables or stories are in no way necessary to pass believes I'd say but only to emphasize them.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 1, 2018 9:22:54 GMT
I don't think it's very necessary at all. I think they just wanted to be creative and make myths to pass the beliefs down more easily as through a story basically to better remember the belief or idea. Like Jesus used parables in the bible to help the people understand tge ten commandments better. Like when we think of the commandment of loving our neighbor we can think of the good Samaritan story. But myths or parables or stories are in no way necessary to pass believes I'd sat but only to emohasize them. Mythology is part of the ancient history of any nation and civilization! With the help of myths, people tried to explain their origin and the essence of many things in the world! Proverbs is quite another to be honest!
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Post by azimovclegane87 on Feb 1, 2018 11:07:24 GMT
I think mythology (like religion, customs, military, science or even cusine) is necessary non - labor / non - survival things, that make humans -in old time, or even now (in other forms). Mythology try to cover a lot of wondeful tings into something more readable / singable / tallkable - preserve our culture, in other words. So, i think, even Nitsche, Maciavelli, Plato and folklore of people around our planet - is maybe not necessary thing for survival, but good for our history, science, or even souls, if you like.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 1, 2018 11:58:40 GMT
I don't think it's very necessary at all. I think they just wanted to be creative and make myths to pass the beliefs down more easily as through a story basically to better remember the belief or idea. Like Jesus used parables in the bible to help the people understand tge ten commandments better. Like when we think of the commandment of loving our neighbor we can think of the good Samaritan story. But myths or parables or stories are in no way necessary to pass believes I'd sat but only to emohasize them. Mythology is part of the ancient history of any nation and civilization! With the help of myths, people tried to explain their origin and the essence of many things in the world! Proverbs is quite another to be honest! There's a history book for that though
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 1, 2018 12:06:28 GMT
Mythology is part of the ancient history of any nation and civilization! With the help of myths, people tried to explain their origin and the essence of many things in the world! Proverbs is quite another to be honest! There's a history book for that though Yes, but history as a science deals with facts, not with dubious facts! Myths are dubious information! Myths are legends!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 12:13:13 GMT
Looking into Joseph Campbells "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" I've realized how many forms of media and even philosophical literature uses a mythological structure and ideal man to convey a message or explore an idea. So I wonder, it is a necessity for society to have myths of their beliefs to explain and maybe even romanticize what is valued? Myths and symbols have produced irremediable confusion and immense suffering. The time must come for exact facts about reality. Science helps with that, but it doesn't cover for everything. Also, myths (i.e. deluge, atlantis, atreus & thyestes, castor & pollux, phaethon) are not merely old tales. Obviously, they have a figurative aspect to them, but they also had to have some basis in reality. In the case of the Old Testament, I believe they've been distorted. If science says there was no global flood, then we shouldn't immediately arrive at the conclusion that these were local floods. After all, floods occur in many myths around the world and share similar themes (such as moral decay and overpopulation). It seems plausible to me that there was once a continent which sank on account of it's civilization's decline, which had a significant impact on neighboring civilizations , that it was remembered by many of them, significant enough to be represented as a global flood.
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Post by Polaris on Feb 2, 2018 7:22:09 GMT
if they have any value, it would be the sharing of a common heritage that help bind a community together.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 0:58:36 GMT
I wonder if everyone understood that they require a mythology, so it would be possible for them intentionally to put themself into a lie?! If we know the truth, we can't want to refuse it. If we wanted to refuse the truth, there would be no reason to think about it like a problem.
So, we can't really say: do we need a myth or not, cause it means a 'liar paradox' appears in the heads.
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Post by mothman on Feb 16, 2018 18:29:30 GMT
I don't think it is a mater of "need" or "do not need".It is far more likely that mythology will be present as long as we as a speaces are.
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Post by bluesreligion on Feb 21, 2018 10:35:00 GMT
I think we absolutely need mythology, or at least we love it. The love of movies are an example of this. Oh don't get too stuck on the Hero of a Thousand Faces. I find he tried to cram too much into a neat little theory. Human stories are a lot more complex then that.
Stories inform and entertain, and help us shape our identities. Every one of us I bet have stories of character they love, identify with, and learn lessons from.
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Post by joustos on Feb 28, 2018 18:42:06 GMT
I don't think it's very necessary at all. I think they just wanted to be creative and make myths to pass the beliefs down more easily as through a story basically to better remember the belief or idea. Like Jesus used parables in the bible to help the people understand tge ten commandments better. Like when we think of the commandment of loving our neighbor we can think of the good Samaritan story. But myths or parables or stories are in no way necessary to pass believes I'd sat but only to emohasize them. Mythology is part of the ancient history of any nation and civilization! With th [e help of myths, people tried to explain their origin and the essence of many things in world! Proverbs is quite another to be honest! I fully agree that mythology is part of a people's or mankind's history and the material for the writing of history, or for ethnology, and for philosophers to increase their understanding of human [cerebral] nature in the course of time. {This was undertaken for the first time, in the 18th century, by Vico in his "New Science"} From Him: History is the story of all that humans make or do in the course of time. History is the story of the modifications of the human mind in the course of time. The gods are the earliest and greatest human creations...., concomitantly with language.
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Post by KHNUM77 on May 17, 2018 16:42:08 GMT
It's our current modern society that labels many historical documents from the past as mythology. For instance we have an account of something that we believe may or may not have happened that was written down by an ancient culture. If there is no anthropological/historic/scientific evidence or poof at the current time it gets labeled as mythology, if some evidence or poof is uncovered/found, it then becomes historical fact.
Not all myths have the potential to be basis for fact, but many ancient/historical documents contain information that feasibly when/if enough evidence is found could become fact. For example, the city of Troy was always considered to be a legend/myth, it became a verified archaeological find in 1868 and has since been added to the UNESCO world heritage list.
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Post by joustos on May 20, 2018 17:44:08 GMT
Hi, fellows! From your discussions I gather that you oppose Myths and Truths [or Facts], but it is worth noting that originally what was called a Myth was a Tale, or Doctrine (something taught), or "true account"(an explanation) of events. For example, a destructive flood took place which was actually caused by such-and-such a god in order to punish a People, or something God did in order to assist or benefit a People. (In the process of elaborating a myth, a god or a spirit is presented as having a human-like, or a lord-like, nature.) Eventually, in more modern times, myths were collected and studied, wherefore we have mythologies. More importantly, as new religions grew, or as philosophy (particularly Philosophy of Nature, and modern science) grew, the old myths were considered untruths, and the very word "myth" took on the meaning of Untruth or Fiction, even though we recognize that some myths may have reference to some real historical events and .
It's not a question as to whether we need, or not, the old myths. Fortunately many of them have been preserved in writing and are excellent material for ethnologists or historians of the human mind.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 20, 2018 23:53:50 GMT
Hi, fellows! From your discussions I gather that you oppose Myths and Truths [or Facts], but it is worth noting that originally what was called a Myth was a Tale, or Doctrine (something taught), or "true account"(an explanation) of events. For example, a destructive flood took place which was actually caused by such-and-such a god in order to punish a People, or something God did in order to assist or benefit a People. (In the process of elaborating a myth, a god or a spirit is presented as having a human-like, or a lord-like, nature.) Eventually, in more modern times, myths were collected and studied, wherefore we have mythologies. More importantly, as new religions grew, or as philosophy (particularly Philosophy of Nature, and modern science) grew, the old myths were considered untruths, and the very word "myth" took on the meaning of Untruth or Fiction, even though we recognize that some myths may have reference to some real historical events and .
It's not a question as to whether we need, or not, the old myths. Fortunately many of them have been preserved in writing and are excellent material for ethnologists or historians of the human mind. I do like listening to these myths or tales too. Like all the things Hercules had to go through to make up for killing his family and so on. Such tales can make good camping stories near the fire
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