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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 18:14:15 GMT
Kant gives agnostics a bad name. Agnosticism is pious as a temporary view, but when it becomes permanent, it is a symptom of decay. Kant said that hylozoism is the death of natural philosophy yet no scientific mind today would deny that various animals have manifested self-awareness and that plants have demonstrated potential for consciousness (i.e. they can remember things).
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 21, 2018 11:03:15 GMT
Research religion that makes sense and place your bet on it
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Post by Leebert on Feb 21, 2018 11:08:44 GMT
0+0 cannot produce a single number
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Post by Mocha on Feb 21, 2018 13:58:38 GMT
0+0 cannot produce a single number 0 is a number though...?
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Post by Lakupala on Feb 25, 2018 1:26:09 GMT
Honestly, I don't think it can. Believing in God is all just faith.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 3:52:25 GMT
You can't prove that he does or doesn't exist. This is why I'm having a hard time deciding between agnosticism and Christianity. I want to believe that God is watching over me, my family, and my friends but I just can't because my mind won't all me. Have you tried praying? He might answer you. Not audibly of course, but if there is an all powerful God he is certainly capable of making known his existence to you. Hes done that for me which is I why I one hundred percent believe in his existence. I've tried brother, It doesn't seem to work for me tbh, I'll try again tonight but no promises
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 25, 2018 4:25:21 GMT
You can't prove that he does or doesn't exist. This is why I'm having a hard time deciding between agnosticism and Christianity. I want to believe that God is watching over me, my family, and my friends but I just can't because my mind won't all me. Have you tried praying? He might answer you. Not audibly of course, but if there is an all powerful God he is certainly capable of making known his existence to you. Hes done that for me which is I why I one hundred percent believe in his existence. Me too!
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Post by joustos on Feb 26, 2018 3:03:44 GMT
I am not sure whether Kant actually said that one cannot prove the existence of anything. So, for me, the issue becomes, "Must the existence of anything be proved at all?" or, "Must the existence of anything that is believed or thought to exist be proved?" Besides a question that will eventually arise, my view is, "It must not", because any existence is given (is evident) to begin with. Existence is presence. If you get caught in a storm and are pounded by the rain and the wind, the "storm" (this affecting force) is felt or made present to you. If you run into a bear, which knocks you down, etc., the bear is made evident to you; it exists. In all such situations, you have an encounter with an overwhelming power, but you may live long enough to tell about it. There is a great variety of encountered powers, but you may be endowed with the talent of speech and call any of it "Theo's" or Deus or Gott or God. Because of the variety, polytheism is the logical outgrowth of your experiences. (An atheist would be a person who never had such experiences, who is not a witness of any god.) Second stage of theism: A [nature's] god is thought of as being similar to humans, who strikes at will and strikes designated individuals: The gods have minds and wills. Finally, the gods may be conceived as having human looks, and as being males and females, so that they produce offsprings; may assist humans and make contractual deals with them. Imaginary gods!
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Post by Bomie on Mar 2, 2018 9:19:35 GMT
IF YOUR RIGHT, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE, BUT..... IF YOUR WRONG, ETERNITY IS A LONG TIME TO SUFFER FOR BEING WRONG Ok, so first I have to admit i joined this forum on a whim to reply to this. I dont like this claim. We have over 4200 registered religions currently. If we go back in history every country had a religion, if we go back even further every city state had it's own god and creation myth. What's to say that yours is right. Also theres an issue here in believing something on a chance it may happen, that same logic can be applied to many things that you dont do. Logically there's always a chance that a plane could drop on your head when you go outside, therefore the best option is to dedicate your entire life to staying in a bunker and being self sufficent, but do you do that? No, because that's stupid, if there's a small chance of something being true you dont adapt your whole worldview and actions based on that chance. Even assuming that in one of those religions there is a god, you have a godamn russian roulette of religions to choose from all promising their own specific brand of damnation if you choose the wrong one. Why are you so certain yours is correct. Before i get asked, i'd describe myself as a diest, i believe there's a likelehood of something so powerful that to us it would be viewed as a god creating the space we inhabit but i think the likelehood of a being like that giving any sembelance of a fuck about beings so small and insiginificant as us is ridicolous.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 9, 2018 10:22:24 GMT
You know...some people have claimed He revealed Himself to them like by voice or something. Samuel, Paul, and many others heard His voice for example. It comes at a random time too so not like can record it. But what if He doesn't want to be known like people want to know him because they're unworthy or something?
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Post by revopt on Apr 11, 2018 18:10:08 GMT
At the very least God exists in the same level as laws. We cannot see a law, but we can see its effects. A law is capable of changing the behavior of a person, as long as it's respected. God is an existance that can influence the behavior of its believers and also indirectly the non-believers. Like a law, God exist's, as long as someone believes in him. For example, the moment someone stopped believing in Zeus, its influence to the people vanished. So God must exist, at least in the same plane as a law exists. Anything else we associate with God is very much harder to prove, if not impossible.
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Post by revopt on Apr 11, 2018 19:20:21 GMT
Sorry, should have said touchable, English isn't my first language, "seeing" as a different connotation in my first language. Also, Law is a precept that derives from the Sovereign authority. It's something that comes first and foremost as general and abstract. Only the content of law can be compiled and be materialized as penal codes or constitution.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 11, 2018 19:27:12 GMT
At the very least God exists in the same level as laws. We cannot see a law, but we can see its effects. A law is capable of changing the behavior of a person, as long as it's respected. God is an existance that can influence the behavior of its believers and also indirectly the non-believers. Like a law, God exist's, as long as someone believes in him. For example, the moment someone stopped believing in Zeus, its influence to the people vanished. So God must exist, at least in the same plane as a law exists. Anything else we associate with God is very much harder to prove, if not impossible. I haven't seen this connection to God yet but I like it. So would you say God is a positive source or the belief in one?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 11, 2018 20:42:22 GMT
To prove the existence of God, it is impossible, because the essence of God is beyond the created world and beyond the understanding of the human mind!
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Post by revopt on Apr 11, 2018 20:53:26 GMT
At the very least God exists in the same level as laws. We cannot see a law, but we can see its effects. A law is capable of changing the behavior of a person, as long as it's respected. God is an existance that can influence the behavior of its believers and also indirectly the non-believers. Like a law, God exist's, as long as someone believes in him. For example, the moment someone stopped believing in Zeus, its influence to the people vanished. So God must exist, at least in the same plane as a law exists. Anything else we associate with God is very much harder to prove, if not impossible. I haven't seen this connection to God yet but I like it. So would you say God is a positive source or the belief in one? There is a great diversity of gods, some benevolent, others more evil. It depends on the religion. Thus God can be a positive source to one or a bad source. For example, in ancient Greece, the God Hades was a God without followers, it was a taboo to pray to him, the people only prayed to him to curse their enemies, to most people he was a bad source to one's life. This is my personal opinion, it's not so much the Gods or God in a religion that matter, it's more the philosophy behind the religion, that matter's and the strengh of one's will or belief. A person, may not believe in God or be an active member of the church, but that person may follow a personal philosophy that closely resembles the one taugh by the church, or a school of philosophy like stoicism. So if a person has the strength of will to follow that kind of philosophy, that person would have a positive source from that. Similar if one were to belief in God and belong to a religion.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 11, 2018 21:21:49 GMT
I haven't seen this connection to God yet but I like it. So would you say God is a positive source or the belief in one? There is a great diversity of gods, some benevolent, others more evil. It depends on the religion. Thus God can be a positive source to one or a bad source. For example, in ancient Greece, the God Hades was a God without followers, it was a taboo to pray to him, the people only prayed to him to curse their enemies, to most people he was a bad source to one's life. This is my personal opinion, it's not so much the Gods or God in a religion that matter, it's more the philosophy behind the religion, that matter's and the strengh of one's will or belief. A person, may not believe in God or be an active member of the church, but that person may follow a personal philosophy that closely resembles the one taugh by the church, or a school of philosophy like stoicism. So if a person has the strength of will to follow that kind of philosophy, that person would have a positive source from that. Similar if one were to belief in God and belong to a religion. I was always taught that the Greek gods and godesses were just myths though and no one took them as more than just fun stories Shrug
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